Edmonton's first murder of 2011

Call me what you will, but in this instance I am 100% with the police. The ethnic group in question seems to have unreasonable expectations regarding what the government should do for them, and is not taking responsibility for the fact that their sons have turned to crime (as opposed to honest but lower-paying work) as their way ahead in Canada. They can fuck off, so far as I'm concerned. http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l.../EDM_somali_110103/20110103/?hub=EdmontonHome One day after a lead detective vented his frustration over what he deems lack of cooperation from witnesses in the city's latest homicide, friction continues between members of Edmonton's Somali community and officers trying to solve the case. Bill Clark met with media on Sunday, arguing people inside the Papyrus Restaurant and Lounge saw who pulled the trigger in the early hours of New Year's Day, killing a 23-year-old man identified by friends as Muhammad Mahood Jama, and injuring another. "We know the individual in hospital knows who shot him, he won't talk. We know there are other people inside who saw the suspect," he said. "Of all the people we interviewed, one person provides a suspect description - absolutely ludicrous." Clark's anger stems in part from what he sees as a lack of trust between local Somalis and police after a substantial amount of resources were invested to improve the relationship. In the wake of dozens homicides that claimed young men from the community in the past several years, the city responded with several town hall meetings, sports tournaments, an African Centre and other efforts to elicit change. Edmonton also created 18 organizations to help facilitate integration. "So when we hear people in the Somali community and these ethnic communities complaining about city administration it frustrates us," said Clark on Sunday. But Ilham Ahmed, a board member of the Somalia Community Centre, argues police are wrong to pin all the responsibility on the community. "Why do we have to look for our own criminals?" she asked. "What I see is negligence from the police community because when you are trained to investigate a murder you are not supposed to be make special - a criminal is a criminal. He doesn't have a face, he doesn't have a race." City councillor Amarjeet Sohi is calling on witnesses to come forward in the New Year's day homicide, but also argues it's important to find out why there is resistance. "If there is a demand from the community that these homicides, these murders, need to be solved, then people need to cooperate," he said. "On the other hand we need to figure out why people are not cooperating, why people feel scared. Is there not enough support from police? I think there is but people need to be made aware." The province's immigration minister agrees with that sentiment, arguing members of the Somali community need to utilize supports already in existence. "The resources are in place, all they have to do is reach out and use them," said Thomas Lukasik. "If there is an integration problem then we will focus on it. I think we are doing what we can. There has to be some impetus from the Somali community, willingness to want to integrate. I'm not sensing that there isn't." Still, Ahmed argues there is a sense of isolation in the Somali community, and a sense of disconnect between her culture and the city at large. She says she struggles to feel at home, even 20 years after immigrating to the country. "Nothing has been done for this community. We are left on our own," she said. With Files from Kevin Armstrong

I have to say, I agree with the police. I don't think it's a problem just with the Somali community though. Ask any 10 people of any race and you'll probably get like 75% who are Snitches are rats and that type of mentality of never helping the police. The Somali shootings are gangs like any other gangs. If you had a Hells Angels shooting, no one would help with details either. Back to topic though, it is bullshit for anyone to basically say, well, it's not our job to provide any help to the police to solve crimes, but the fact that they can't miraculously solve crimes with no witnesses and no cooperation is because of race. Nah, it's because they can't pull suspects out of their asses when no one wants to provide basic details.

Well isn't that just epidemic in our society now? Everyone wants help, but no one is willing to contribute any effort to the help they are receiving. It's always easier to place blame on someone else rather than accepting some responsibility for your own problems.

FloridaGuy said: "The resources are in place, all they have to do is reach out and use them," said Thomas Lukasik. "If there is an integration problem then we will focus on it. I think we are doing what we can. There has to be some impetus from the Somali community, willingness to want to integrate. I'm not sensing that there isn't Click to expand... nuff said ??? probably not

sinsin said: You got that right. Snitch is a snitch, same with a rat. It goes for the same on the inside as it does on the outside. Once you are labelled a rat, you have to watch your ass. Violence will continue until the circle is broken Click to expand... Than you got these douchey kids with their ball caps all sideways acting all tough with their "Fuck the cops, anyone helping them is a snitch bitch"...dude, you don't gotta worry about cops coming after your high school ass, until being a poseur and putting up a front becomes a crime, most of these kids don't have to worry about cops even wanting their help. Half these kids, the only crimes they even have the balls to commit is jaywalking.

FloridaGuy said: "Why do we have to look for our own criminals?" she asked. "What I see is negligence from the police community because when you are trained to investigate a murder you are not supposed to be make special - a criminal is a criminal. He doesn't have a face, he doesn't have a race." Click to expand... what i see is negligence and , a lack of co-operation within the community to help solve these crimes

FloridaGuy said: Call me what you will, but in this instance I am 100% with the police. The ethnic group in question seems to have unreasonable expectations regarding what the government should do for them, and is not taking responsibility for the fact that their sons have turned to crime (as opposed to honest but lower-paying work) as their way ahead in Canada. They can fuck off, so far as I'm concerned. http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l.../EDM_somali_110103/20110103/?hub=EdmontonHome One day after a lead detective vented his frustration over what he deems lack of cooperation from witnesses in the city's latest homicide, friction continues between members of Edmonton's Somali community and officers trying to solve the case. Click to expand... This issue played out in the media today and I will also be one that agrees with the police and their stance. On 630CHED this morning, Dave Rutherford spoke to a Somali leader who helped write a letter to the police complaining about their "lack of resources..etc" Global News tonight at 6:00pm illustrated all of the money given to the Somali community to help them. Actually quite a bit...from the City of Edmonton, the Province of Alberta as well as the Federal Government. http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/Detective+stands+comments+Somali+investigation/4065804/story.html I can't recall any other culture that has recently blamed others (the government, etc) for all of their people getting murdered. There have been other cultures that have had to face language/culture barriers when they moved here (East Indians/Pakistani's to name a few) and they managed to survive. They have to be willing to help solve the murders instead of blaming others.....

Todays immigrant is not what he used to be just 40-50 years ago. Canada has become too accessible. Let me explain. Even just 30 years ago a person wanting to come to Canada had to have enough money to get here, which usually meant being of upper middle class or higher in their home country or having been willing to come here 80+ years ago when it was come here for some back breaking hard labor. If a person is upper class in a 3rd world country it stands to reason they are somewhat educated, this prepares them for coming to Canada better than a person from a war torn country who claims refugee status. The older immigrants knew they were coming to Canada to work hard and get ahead, Canada was not a country for refugees. Not only that but the average immigrant due to needing enough cash to get here and settle in was better off back home than someone who claims refugee status. This means a more educated person arrives in Canada, not always but lets be honest the vast majority of refugee claimants are uneducated. There are less and less jobs for the uneducated in Canada. Take garbage removal as an example, you have 2 guys on the back of the truck and one guy driving, that is 3 jobs for uneducated basically unskilled individuals. If you live in Sherwood park you would notice that residential garbage is picked up by one guy in a truck operating a mechanical arm, you have lost 2 jobs and raised the requirement for skill level (not by much) for the 1 job left over. What good is it to bring refugees to Canada when we have so many educated people wanting to immigrate to Canada? A refugee comes here and they need to be given food, clothing and shelter and also usually classes in English and all sorts of other support programs, all the while we have people from other countries who speak English already and have educations trying to get here through a points system. If they are here right now then keep them, however no more refugees. If you want to do something for them, go over seas and help them fix their own countries.

FloridaGuy said: "If there is an integration problem then we will focus on it. I think we are doing what we can. There has to be some impetus from the Somali community, willingness to want to integrate. Click to expand... Not my words but , feel free to censor [:)]